This should probably be the last post on this matter. Could go on forever with Tim. And I’m sure The Manchicken will fly in at some point. This is a hard debate with facts supporting both sides (not referring to readings of the constitution, but murders and availability of guns) and this forum just doesn’t work well for it. Don’t worry, I’ll have more annoying posts about other issues as I continue to listen to Patriot radio in Diginux’s car…
Another question. Think about all the large shootings you’ve heard about in the past. Now, how many of those were done with illegally purchased guns? I’m sure there were a few, but to my knowledge, almost none. So, this notion that these people would have definitely decided to go on their rampage despite not having readily available legal firearms is bullshit.
Will illegal firearms be available forever, yes. We can only hope to make legal and illegal firearms harder and harder to get. Everyone owning a gun makes absolutely no sense. We have troops coming back from Iraq and owning dozens of guns, snapping and shooting. There have been hundreds of deaths due to this. I’m sure some of them would still find a way to get a gun illegally, but most carry weapons because they can and because its the thing to do for protection.
And personally I don’t care much for what the wording, or even what it says, in the constitution, about anything. I know we have amendments to keep it up to date, but the fact is, the document was written 200 years ago, a very different time. Its nice when it seems to agree with me, but in the end its just a document. All the constitutionalists just seem silly to me.
And, although it really has nothing to do with your point or mine (referring to comments to my past post), the constitution didn’t protect everyones rights. I’d put a 
after that… but just seems wrong.
I was actually going to try to have a constructive discussion with you but after reading this sentence:
We have troops coming back from Iraq and owning dozens of guns, snapping and shooting. There have been hundreds of deaths due to this.
I know you’re either a liar or just full of shit. Either way, “constructive” is out of the question at this point so I’m not even going to bother.
Columbine: Illegal guns used
Omaha Mall: Illegal guns used
VTech: Legal guns used
Louisiana: Unknown, more than likely legal due to her age and prior status.
Recent school shootings (high school): Illegal guns
As for soldiers coming home and going on a shooting rampage, haven’t heard of one yet.
This can go on forever. Making it harder to get guns doesn’t work. They have tried it for the past 10 years with laws such as the Brady Bill. All this did was make it take longer for a legit purchase. You can’t stop the illegal gun trade, just like you can’t stop the drug trade, gangs, and terrorism. It is impossible, so why restrict people’s freedoms by trying to do so? That is what is making this country a piece of shit, every week our government is trying to tighten their stranglehold on us and it is getting old already.
Guns don’t kill, the idiots holding them do. If you were to take away all of the guns in the world, that isn’t going to stop the massacres that take place which our media just loves to overreact to. Take away the guns, then there will be bombs, stabbings, and any other way you can kill a person on the rise.
Our society is filled with sick people, and taking shit away isn’t helping anyone. It will get to the point that the people with the illegal weapons will be able to come in and kill you and your family, and because of your ideas, my only protection is to cry and beg not to be killed. Sounds like a shitty plan to me.
How about this Tristan, as I know this one will hit you very close to home. All of these kids drinking and driving. Of course they are getting their alcohol illegally, so lets make it harder to people of legal age and the minors to get alcohol. Hell, lets make alcohol illegal why we are at it. Alcohol related incidents cause more damage than gun related incidents anyways, and more people in the US are killed drunk driving than there are those killed by guns.
Tightening restrictions isn’t going to fix a thing.
The 200 years ago comment doesn’t fly with me. Yep. Free speech, that was so 200 years ago, completely different nowadays.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
“When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.”
All I’m saying is, you do have to question your government. When they start taking away key civil liberties, as they are slowly whittling away at free speech and privacy, you have to think how bad is it on international PR if they were to start locking up people, versus how bad is it on international PR when they try to lock up people who have the means to start a war against them, and fight back.
Just because we live in a really great country does not mean that it guarantees that failures made by man elsewhere in the world will not happen here.
My point was, even with freedom of speech it applies, the fact that it was written in a document 200 years ago does not mean anything. Of course, it means they too respected freedom of speech, but so what? And, I’m sure you all agree that there are restrictions on freedom of speech that are for the good of the people. So, even freedom of speech, like guns, is controlled.
No one is saying, don’t question your government. That is a must. Hell, I don’t see how questioning why there is not more gun control is not questioning the government…
Well, the reason why gun control would be related to not questioning your government is that it gives your government more power.
Power corrupts. I want every time that our government gets more power to have a damn good reason. I’m not seeing one other than “people who have never used guns are scared of guns”, and fear should never be the sole reason for a law. I do strongly believe that liberty should not be traded for security, either.
I do, however, agree that we need to take care of people being assholes, going nuts, and shooting folks. It’s a terrible thing, and I would like to think that we can come together as a society somehow to address it.
“… any other way you can kill a person on the rise.” Yes it is.
Nixternal’s analogy with alcohol and drug prohibition is right on. Whenever there’s a government regulation to avoid, a black market pops up to avoid it. All a government can do about it is put more money and power in the hands of the gangs running it by strengthening their regulations or prohibitions, as they did with alcohol and drugs.
It’s way too easy to compare the effects of guns to the effects of something like alcohol. Making guns available to everyone legally not only will rise the number of “accidental deaths” incredibly, but it will also bring to our hands on element of independent power, in a very effective way, in a place where society is already struggling to communicate because of understandable differences and the entire “I can’t identify myself with anyone, I’m alone”. Take that, combine it with a little selfishness and fear, and you got yourself a beautiful place to live where people are forced to struggle, on their own.